Chris Sells: Bush sics the NSA on us w/o due process, starts a war so he can look tough for his dad and continues to dismiss global warming as a myth. Why aren’t we impeaching his ass?
While earlier today, jwz answers this very question: This is surely the most impeachable thing he’s done yet. But let me remind you why that is maybe not such a good strategy: Vice President – Dick Cheney
The line of succession is ugly… gives me as bad a reaction that “President Gore” gave me. *shrug*
I was talking to someone about this, this week, before the NSA story broke. My hypothesis was that the press and Democrats would continue a campaign to ruin Bush until they got something real and actionable. Is this real and actionable? Time will tell, but it does look like it. What amuses me about this is that it feels like they think Bush can run for election again. That this isn’t his second and final term. The most they can do is get him out early, and what are we left with then? Right. Nice move.
Personally, I’d rather see the parties hard at work, prepping for the next election in ’08 – with the Democrats working on someone that isn’t Hillary… that carpet bagger is so not what we need. A liberal to flag burners yet against Grand Theft Auto – with civil liberties, how can you be pro one and anti another if they use the same argument? She’s be a disaster and not because she’s a she… besides, we have no proof that she doesn’t have a penis.
Simply put, it would be nice to have a choice in the voting booth for the Presidency.
Unfortunately, I agree. Impeaching Bush at this time would do notng. Now, why anybody voted for the babbling monkey in the first place, is totaly beyond me.
I did. Bush sucked less than… I can’t even remember who ran against him. But I remember his entire platform was “I suck less than this guy” and “Vote for me b/c I’m not this guy!” – that’s even scarier than Bush. I mean what did he stand for? Who knows what he was capable of? That’s the problem – no one knew! Oh yeah. Kerry. That was the guy…
My vote is certainly one to be won, but it won’t be without effort… it needs to be fought for.
Hmm. I didnt really like Kerry, but I think we would be in a much better position if he were in office. But I can understand Bush’s re-election. What I really have trouble swallowing is when he went against Gore and won. I really dont like Bush, but I guess everyone has thier own reasons.
Given where you live, I can completely understand the Gore vs Bush thing. But even in 2000, Gore gave me little reason to vote for him. The press made it feel like we shoulda written in our own choices at the poll… I DO think that were it not for 9/11, it would have been a very quiet Presidency – that day changed everything in the govt.
But honestly, how can ya not like bush? *wink* *wink*
Well, it wasnt much over the florida fiasco. My whole reasoning was, and is, if some one who served under clinton for 8 years isnt qualified, then who is. I guess when it came to Gore, it depended on whether or not you liked Clinton to begin with. And 9/11 might have changed our government, but the vast majority of what Bush has done hasn’t benefited anyone. And the whole war thing is a total mess that shouldnt have even started.
Skyrocketing oil profits, and over-priced gasoline. Increasing global warming which isn’t helping all the hurricanes we keep getting. The most secretive administration since Nixon. Spending 40% of his first term on vacation. His pathetic respond to hurricane aid(And while it is true that that’s more the state job, it was clearly out of control and the federal government should have stepped in much earlier.) Attacking a country completely unprovoked and causing the greatest deficit in global history. And his wonderful battery of the English language….What’s not to love?
the question is randy would you vote for bush again?
I think we should all impeach Dreakon. PS: I hate both sides…the Bushies AND the Hillaries. As far as this is concerned…HOO AHAHAHAHAAAA
You might hate both, but regardless theres always a favored side.
Anna just wants me impeached so she can have my candy. But I guess if I thought about it I would probably prefer Bush again over Hillary Clinton. I need my violent video games. And frankly she is a idiot, she needs to just get back in the kitchen.
why did you start a cat fight Randy?
That’s cool with me Dreakon..you can eat her cooking..I most certainly am NOT going to touch what crap Hillary makes. ICK. Besides…you WOULD eat it, wouldn’t you, you hippy liberal. (I think but I’m not sure sounded good at the time)
hey hippys are cool
I’m a cool liberal hippie that can cook. Watch out!
I don’t know how you can say hippies are cool. They smell, they have no moral backgrounds, they have no basis onto which ANY of their opinions and beliefs can rest on…they are worthless, brainless, airheaded morons.
Who you calling liberal hippy? I just insulted Hilary, but I guess if I had 2 X chromosomes, I would be too dumb to get that joke myself. For the most part my views are very conservative, but I can still spot an idiot when I see one, and George Bush is an idiot.
I was kidding about being a hippie. For the most part I’d say im conservative, but im open minded, and non-conformist, going with what everyone else thinks is right, isnt my style. As to my beliefs thier odd, but it fits me and maybe they dont completely make sense but it keeps me happy. And who decides morals? Honestly, in todays society saying you have morals is like saying youre Catholic.
FWIW – I don’t fault Bush for the hurricane reaction. I fault the people at FEMA. Were they his people? Yeah, but a) how do you pin the whole thing on the top guy and b) how do you know how people will reaction in their job, in that situation?
As to the rest, whatever. As to voting for Bush again, if the Democrats BEST candidate can only say “Vote for me because I suck less” I’d vote for Bush again: at least I know what I’d be getting. The onus is on the Democrats to step up their efforts.
As to the hurricane, you’re right Randy, it was FEMA’s fault. But once various levels of ‘management’ cant handle the situation, some one higher up on the ladder needs to step in, Bush failed to do so.
And as to voting for Bush, because you know what you’re getting is pretty poor. All of his campaign was simply, “We need the war cause I say so.” and to me the war is all of Bush’s foucus. And thats a mistake. We have enough problems on our own soil, to go and try to “save” people from other countries, that dont even want change. Meddling in other countries affairs that barely effect us is ridiculous. And we’re not there cause of terrorism. If that was the case we would of invaded another country. Killing thousands of innocent civillians, and killing our own men, who were fathers, brothers, friends, actual people, not a number alone, for a such a useless cause is stomach wrenching to me.
Indeed, to both things, although I don’t completely disagree with invading a nation. Invasions have helped moved history along, both for the good and bad. Besides, I consider more of a regime toppling. Invasion implies that we plan to make Iraq the 54th state or something (assuming that we annex Quebec as 51, Puerto Rico as 52, and Ireland as 53 – all would be for different, and somewhat amusing, reasons).
re FEMA, there were levels below the President that failed to respond – if I watched it correctly, once all the layer crapped, the Prez was relatively responsive, considering one of our cities became a soup bowl. For me, I equate it to Rainier in WA. If – or when – Rainier blows it’s top, it’s going to take out most of western WA, and probably parts of OR and CA (as the volcano range is connected). I live there. I know it’s an active volcano. If disaster strikes, will I be one of the people wondering why I wasn’t assisted by the Govt for evacuation? If my house gets plowed over by a lava flow, will I blame FEMA? I don’t know, but I hope not. I would swear some station made it sound like the govt staged the hurricane or something… It’s a natural disaster and where ya live plays into that. If I lived in Tornado Alley, would I be surprised by a damaging twister? In FL, by a hurricane? On Long Island, if the bridges got knocked out? In CA, earthquakes? There are disasters in all parts of the US. Living in NO, ya GOTTA know yer below sea level… that’s the risk of that particular city. Now if a tornado came thru WA or an eruption happened in the Everglades… thats unexpected. And make no mistake: it excuses nothing and given the above, FEMA shoulda been better prepared. I’m just saying that I’m surprised that the people were surprised by it all – that it was a pooch screw by citizens and govt alike.
Anyway, it is – or more importantly was – very much the fear of the unknown that would make me re-elect a poor President, and that’s where I fault Kerry. I mean, if the Prez’s focus is only on the war, Kerry’s focus was beating the man who’s focus was on the war. Some time after the election it would have been a “Oh, shit, what do I do now?!” and “Whoa, how did I get here?” conversation. Given the choice between a guy that has a 50/50 track record of good decisions and a guy that has no plan, I’m going to take the odds of 50/50… just my nature.
Yea, I definately think it was the peoples fault too. Everyone should be totally aware of the hazzards in the area that they live, especially when there like a million feet under sea level. But the people that failed to listen, should still be helped not abandoned, and literally left to die. But its kinda like if a riot were to break out, and the local police couldnt controll it. Then the national guard is called, and for some reason its still out of controll.The events continue for a week, people out of controll, chaos, bla, bla, bla. Then somewhere there needs to be additional reinforcements called in. If the local government isnt doing anything about it, someone else has to. And in the end it was the people’s fault that started the riot, no?
I am curios about the 50% bush did good… What was it?
hahahaha! Good point!
I heard he spared a turkey during Thanksgiving, and learned how to tie his own shoes. I guess thats the 50% but I believe those numbers are abit inflated in his favor. And the turkey is probably already dead and no one has ever seen him tie his shoes so we can’t even be sure of those…
Handling the whole 9/11 affair alone should cover the 50%. He was a good fit for the country at that time… it might not be remembered given the beat down by the press and the ongoing stupidity since, but for the year following 9/11, he was the right guy for the job.
I agree to a point. Bush handled 9/11 well. I don’t know that anyone could of done better. HOWEVER…I think that there are many people that could of handled it just as well and delt with the consequences far better than he has, IMHO. (Definately not Dreakon though, Dreakon the moron would use nukes…which is stupid…like he is.)
Hmm, waiting wround in a classromm for about 7 minutes before he responded isnt all that great to me.
Now that’s just bunk, and I’m going to call it bunk. The first plane hit the first tower and no one knew we were even under attack for fuck’s sake. I know, because I was like 50 miles from ground zero. It wasn’t until we the second plane that people began to realize that it was an actual coordinated attack – and there was at least 15 minutes before the planes. And THEN, it wasn’t until the Pentagon that we started to realize just how wide spread it was. Hard to go jumping around the room like a mad man when you don’t even know there’s something wrong.
And I remember his face getting very, very stern as he took the news, like he wanted to go out to the wood shed and hand out a whoopin. I was livin that shit in real time and took the train home with WTC people as the story unfolded… I believe he acted well, given the circumstance. Clinton would have panicked and blown Gore or something ;)
Nukes are fun for boys and girls. But I don’t think it would have happened as badly if Clinton was president, I doubt the pentagon would have even gotten hit. They would have shot the plane it down just like the forth plane that was heading for the whitehouse. But Im sure you hippies actually believe the plane was brought down by the passengers…
So, it was Bush that brought on the attack? Only having been in office for 8 months at the time, right? Clinton’s “great foreign policy” is what set up 9/11.
As to the hippies comment, how about that plane that dropped near the Pentagon – no wreckage? Nothing but blast hole? oOoooo. I be the moon landing was staged too.
Bush, for those first 8 months was more than a third of the time on vacation, and second, many of his own people said that the reports that contained intelligence in regards to the planning of 9/11 were dissmissed if not literally thrown out, before even reading it. C’mon, Bush is no hero. And honestly the ‘Clinton Years’ were probably some of the best that anyone has seen. Also I think with his policies or not, this whole thing either wouldnt have happened, or would have been handled much better.
I think we should blame Bush’s psuedo-conservative administration for everything. Then blame Dreakon for being a smelly hippie.
No seriously what’s wrong with hippies? Gees…
What’s wrong with smelly, druggie, lazy hippies? Oh, I’ll tell you. They make excuses for themselves and coddle the “unfortunate” with services that just encourage them…like, public transportation and financial assistance for abortions. (Because killing a fetus should not only be RIGHT, it should also be free of cost, yes). They recreate racisism by giving people of a different ethnic background and color more oppertunities to flourish in society (ie college scholarships, job opps, etc)…because now, if a WHITE employer or a WHITE head of admissions at a school pick the white canidate over the colored one, they get sued. Hippies complain about everything and they make no sense..they have no logic, they don’t believe in any kind of moral teaching…and as long as there’s “love” there will always be a hope for peace. They are big pu**ie*.
Lets get this out there: Clinton had no policies. He did nothing. In some ways that’s good: he let an already started economic recover continue. In some ways that’s bad: he did nothing for foreign policy, except shag girls abroad. Everything he tried to do here failed. SS reform? Insurance reform? All of it: failed.
As to the planning of 9/11, how many threats do you think they get? Now, with hindsight we can sit back and say “oh yes, that one we shoulda acted on”. Tom Clancey wrote the scenario in a book years ago – doesn’t mean it shoulda been taken seriously. It’s like how people say “Oh we heard the plans for the attack on Pearl Harbor but did nothing” now-a-days. It was wholy unbelievable that the US would be attacked: it was unthinkable. Once it happens, it’s much easier to believe.
Personally, I’d be less bitter about it if I could simply get real silverwear back in First class.
Eh, I don’t care. Can’t convince the convinced.
Any everyone is entitled to thier opinions. It was fun tho!
Actually, I’m not all that convinced. The arguments here just aren’t strong enough to prove anything in the opposite direction. w00t!
No. I think we’re all too opinionated, and I think thats cool. It makes us all think.
Thinking gives me gout. *smirk*
First class is for smelly pu**y hippes. *snickers*
The only thing I smell here is jealousy *giggle*